So, on my last entry
jennygordon asked a very good question:
I'm curious - since I'm thinking of taking a more pantser-ing (is that even a word?!) approach with my new book. Do you find that you end up wandering down blind alleys and needing to throw out lots of what you've written with a pantser approach? Do you find it frustrating or liberating? I can see arguments for both approaches, but I'm particularly thinking of winging my new one a bit more because I think I killed the excitement of the last by over-plotting it
I started to answer her in the comments, but it got long (like everything I do! hee) so here's my long-story-long response:
The quickest, easiest answer to that is "Oh, god, yes." I throw out a lot of words.
Wings & Fangs: Bewitched was 113,431 words when I completed the first draft. Draft 2 was 77,891. Draft 3 was 75,361. The (current) final draft is 74,438. I threw out nearly 39k.
But I don't find that a problem. So I don't know that I can answer the "frustrating or liberating" question. I honestly cannot comprehend pre-plotting a story* (please read the footnote-- I have caveats). I can have an idea, but without knowing the main character, I have no story. And I find out about my character by writing their story.
Also, I write a lot of things that I'm well aware would never make it into a book-- backstory, scenes from other characters' perspectives, etc. So I have no qualms writing words that won't be seen by more than me & possibly some of my beta readers.
For me, the most frustrating part when it comes to over-writing is that I'll have Important Information stuck in a whole section of "unnecessary"-- so trying to find a way to work that into a different scene can drive me crazy (just ask b or Jess or my crit group!). But I can also find it insanely fun, like figuring out a puzzle. And when it clicks together-- that's the best feeling in the world.
That said, the story I'm revising now is much too long and I know it. Trying to get it down to size has definitely been frustrating. But knowing I couldn't have written the initial story any other way (I did use a very loose form of outlining-- once I'd gotten about 20k into it), I don't mind as much.
IMO, I think everyone should try plotting and everyone should try pants-ing, just to see what works for them. For me, I have to write myself into a story to find who the characters are and what's important to them. One of my forms of outlining is writing major scenes out of order and connecting them. A lot of what connects them will be deleted. A lot of the major scenes will have to be changed based on what I wrote in the connecting scenes. But that's what gets a story from the first line to THE END for me, so that's what I do. For other people, they can write out a whole plot before they write a single scene. Try whatever you want-- anything and everything-- and then stick with what works best for you.
Anyone else want to chime in...?
*I very much stand by this-- I cannot say "I want to write a horse book!" and plot one out. HOWEVER if I've decided I'm writing something I would like to be a series, once I know where that first book is going, I have to know the basics of what will happen in the other books. I have a horror of writing a first-in-a-series book & not putting in something necessary for later books! Also, since the next story I want to write has a fairy tale base, I already have that structure to go on & am pre-plotting the major events based on that. BUT I met the character first, then decided on the structure.
Your process is so interesting to me, because it's so different from how I did Thrice. Now, I didn't plot Garolass until I was at least halfway through it, and I did edit out 15K, numerous characters, and cut entire scenes and add new ones in. Wonder how the next project will work...
I'm just waiting for the book that totally turns what I said above on it's ear-- probably that mystery novel I always want to write & never can manage...
I've tried several times to outline, without success. With my current WIP, I wrote an outline about 1/3 of the way in. About 20,000 words later, I pretty much tossed the outline out the window. I realized that by sticking to the outline I was forcing the story in a direction it didn't want to go. Now I'm going back and rewriting from the point where I feel I "went astray." The good news is that I learned sooo much about my characters, my world, and my story along the way that I don't really care that I went down the wrong path. I just consider it a very helpful detour because what I learned made my world so much richer.
I think everyone has a natural way of doing things, but I've learned I can't pre-plot. I'd rather write too much and then have to pare it down as I revise. I find my world is a whole lot richer and I know my characters that much better when I write long. And sometimes those detours you take when you don't know where the plot is going yield stories and secrets of their own--and, often, delicious breadcrumbs of knowledge for the writer. :)
That's how W&F1 went-- I wrote a partial outline, probably 1/3 of the way in-- and then totally went the other direction. Heh. Oops. Or not. ;-)
Hmmm ... very interesting ... Thanks. I pretty much pants-ed my first two novels (the second of which ended up taking me 4 years to write, which was why I decided I needed to be a bit more disciplined and try plotting the next). Plotting worked well for the next 2 books, but the most recent one I've written definitely had the excitement squashed out of it by too much advance plotting. I'm thinking, based on what you say, and on my own ponderings, that I may try a mix-and-match approach for the next book. Maybe I'll write a broad outline as as kind of sketchmap, and then wing it from there.
Thanks again for posting on this. It's always fascinating to hear how other writers ... write :O)
Process posts always fascinate me-- did you see Lisa Schroeder's post on Monday? It's here if you missed it.
Oo, no I didn't - thanks for passing that along. I especially like L.K.Madigan's "Plunge, Persist and Polish" approach.
Also, in case you didn't catch it, I posted my Plotting vs Pants-ing thoughts as a kind of cpmplementary post to yours here: http://jennygordon.livejournal.com/15072.html (sorry, can't work out how to insert a link in a comment ...)
Hi Kathleen
The lovely þlj user=jennygordon/ÿ has linked this post on her LJ. Extremely interesting. You don't have a private message option on your profile so I can't ask first. (I'm very polite) ;)
May I add you to my f~list? You write great posts & I'd like to explore some more.
Thanks
Carol
Hi, Carol, nice to meet you! Just added you, so feel free to add me!
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